There was an irritating (to me) discussion on Twitter this week (shocking) that got me thinking about an interesting problem I’m seeing more of in the age of ubiquitous social media: the problem of who said what. The issue started when Bridget Phetasy, a podcaster in her 40s, Tweeted out the following “Thanks to big pharma trying to sell us GLP-1s we are now allowed to admit that when you lose weight it takes stress off your joints and improves your health—a thing we were told was not true for a decade.”
Now as someone who is a bit younger than Ms Phetasy and has lived my life at a wider variety of different weights than her photos suggest she has, I was rather surprised to hear this. I have never gone to the doctors office and not had a doctor mention where my weight was in relation to the where the healthy range was. I have never had joint issues, but my friends who have all inform me you are very much told the impact weight has on your joints. Given that I work at a hospital, I decided to mention this to a few doctors/NPs I see daily, and was looked at like I had 3 heads. Who, they inquired, was ever telling anyone anywhere that weight loss wouldn’t take stress off your joints or improve your health? Obviously if someone was underweight you wouldn’t mention that, but that is not the case for most people. Weight loss is bog standard advice from every major medical organization for nearly every condition. Everyone knows this.
And yet a sizeable number of people on Twitter seemed extremely convinced that this had not actually been the case. Interestingly, their case pulled out a lot of media articles. The first thing Bridget posed to defend herself was a screenshot from Cosmo Magazine (UK version) that used overweight fitness influencers to show that fat could be healthy. Ben Ryan pointed out that there’s a very popular podcast that criticizes the idea of weight loss. Others posted op-eds written about the hopelessness of weight loss. People confirmed there was a very active “Healthy at Every Size” movement, as captured by the book of the same name. Everyone saw this.
Finally, I saw a tweet that seemed to help shed some light on what was really going on. The problem here was one of perspective: there was a time period where the media ecosystem changed rapidly to include a push for healthy at every size type advocacy and a rapid expansion of plus size clothing in retailers and advertising. This meant those (like Bridget Phetasy) whose worked in media and were themselves thin saw those things as the primary conversations around obesity. For other people (like say, myself) who mostly had these conversations with either my personal physician or at work/in a research context, the entire idea that one book from 2010 was the “real” conversation seems insane. Why would someone be listening to a non-MD political podcaster about how to resolve their joint pain? If the people whose job it is to deal with such things stayed on the right path, do the other conversations really matter? And yet, maybe they do. People’s expectations are set by culture all the time. Maybe there’s something to this.
I don’t know that I’ll resolve any of that in this post, but I do want to highlight the general problem. I am increasingly running in to discussions with people where we actually have spend a substantial part of the conversation trying to sort through if the thing we are referring to are actually happening. It was over 10 years ago that Parker Malloy first noted that she made one slightly dismissive Tweet about a lipstick color she found weird that somehow got parlayed in to several articles in major media outlets about her “major freakout”, and the problem has only gotten worse. We now have random tweets from nobodies being treated as though they are serious platforms of major political parties. Conversely, with all the various online noise going on, I have also found at times that people can now miss when major political office holders say actual terrible things because they assume it was internet snark.
So I think when you hear a “they said” type claim, it’s good to sort out the following things:
- Who actually said it, someone with power? Someone with a large audience? Or a random person on Twitter? Include the claims of those on the other side only if you would find it fair if the situation was reversed.
- Who matters for this claim? As I outlined above, there’s no one right answer for this, but it can help nuance the discussion.
- What was the actual wording of the original claim? A lot of claims mutate somewhat between initial takes and responses.
- How many people were making this claim and how many versions were there? Arguments that were really really broad often have stronger and weaker versions and it helps to zoom in on which side of the argument you’re addressing.
- Who were people talking to/aiming at when they did something? In the obesity discussion above, a few people pointed out that clothing companies were getting lumped in as “advocates”. This superficially seems fair, but realistically as obesity rates grew clothing companies were going to have to expand their size offerings if they wanted to stay in business. And why would you be lecturing your customers on weight loss while trying to sell them something? Don’t confuse business practices with medical advice.
I should also add that none of these new problems did away with the age old problem of people having a strong personal connection to someone who behaves ridiculously that they then over generalize to the rest of the population, or to believe that their own social group represents the general population better than it does. So we’ve just added new issues here on top of the ones we already knew about.
Ultimately I think the best thing any of us can do is to remember that everyone is awash in commentary all the time, and we all can probably prove any point we want about what “they are saying” just by poking around for a few minutes online. It’s just the world we live in now, all noise, weak signal. It may be battling against the current, but I think by double checking a bit where we’re getting our impression of what others are saying from we can help make our senses a bit more solid than just vibes.

